Discussion:
Suicides in England & Wales.
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a425couple
2013-02-18 17:29:41 UTC
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It is sad when people chose suicide.

Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).

So, with less guns, the English find other ways.
Interesting that they are generally 'neater'.
36% by hanging,
26% by drug related poisoning.

Certainly 'neater' than in Japan, which has twice the
rate as USA & UK, and although almost totally gunless,
goes quite often messy.

How do they do that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan
"Methods of committing suicide (in Japan)
Common methods of suicide are jumping in front of trains, leaping
off high places, hanging, or overdosing on medication. Rail companies
will charge the families of those who commit suicide a fee depending
on the severity of disrupted traffic.
A newer method, gaining in popularity partly due to publicity from
Internet suicide websites, is to use household products to make the
poisonous gas hydrogen sulfide. In 2007, only 29 suicides used this gas,
but in a span from January to September 2008, 867 suicides resulted
from gas poisoning. This method is particularly problematic, as
there is high risk of hurting others in the process. After a man who
attempted suicide in 2008 by swallowing pesticides was hospitalized,
50 people in the hospital were sickened by the toxic fumes."
Billy
2013-02-18 19:03:42 UTC
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Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Post by a425couple
So, with less guns, the English find other ways.
The U.K. has fewer guns than the U.S., and its suicide rate is about 2/3
of ours.
Post by a425couple
Interesting that they are generally 'neater'.
36% by hanging,
26% by drug related poisoning.
A painful economic recession, rising unemployment and biting "austerity"
measures may have already driven more than 1,000 people in Britain to
commit suicide, according to a study published on Wednesday.

A study published last July, also by Stuckler, found that across Europe,
suicide rates rose sharply from 2007 to 2009 as the financial crisis
drove unemployment up and squeezed incomes.

The number of unemployed men rose on average across Britain by 25.6
percent each year from 2008 to 2010, a rise associated with a yearly
increase in male suicides of 3.6 percent.

The countries worst hit by severe economic downturns, such as Greece and
Ireland, saw the most dramatic increases in suicides.
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[A] 49-year-old former security guard, a 60-year-old businessman in
Milan, and a 64-year-old bricklayer in Salerno are casualties of the
debt crisis that has pushed Italy¹s economy to the brink over the past
year and put considerable strain on most Italians, especially those who
own or work for small businesses. At least 34 people have killed
themselves citing economic reasons since the start of the year,
according to the Italian Association of Small Businesses.
-----

Dimitris Christoulas, 77, shot himself in the head on Wednesday after
declaring that financial troubles pushed him over the edge. A suicide
note said the retired pharmacist preferred to die than scavenge for food.

Anger was directed as much at politicians as it was at the austerity
medicine prescribed by foreign lenders in return for aid to lift the
country out of its worst economic crisis since the Second World War.

"Those who should have committed suicide -- who should have committed
suicide a long time ago -- are the politicians who knowingly decided to
bring this country and its people to this state of affairs," said Panos
Kammenos, a conservative lawmaker who recently set up the Independent
Greeks anti-austerity party.

Meanwhile, an Italian man shot himself dead on Wednesday because his
company was going bust, following a wave of economy-related suicides in
the country which one opposition politician blamed on Prime Minister
Mario Monti's reforms.

A day earlier, a 78-year-old woman in Sicily jumped to her death because
her monthly pension payments had been reduced. On Monday, a
picture-frame maker hanged himself because of economic difficulties.

And last week, two men set themselves on fire in northern Italy due to
financial woes. Both survived, one with severe burns.

<http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/15/13289934-1000-suicides-lin
ked-to-hard-economic-times-in-britain?lite>
Post by a425couple
Certainly 'neater' than in Japan, which has twice the
rate as USA & UK, and although almost totally gunless,
goes quite often messy.
Some scholars looking for structural and social causes behind Japan¹s
suicide problem have argued that there is a close correlation between
unemployment and suicide rates. In fact, during the financial crisis of
1997 and 1998, suicides increased around 35%, a change that would seem
to support the idea that there is a strong correlation between economic
conditions and suicides in Japan.
------

Rather than quietly taking her life at home as many South Koreans do,
the woman staged her death as a final act of public protest against a
society she said had abandoned her. She drank pesticide overnight in
front of her city hall after officials stopped her welfare checks,
saying they were no longer obligated to support her now that her
son-in-law had found work.

³How can you do this to me?² read the suicide note that the police said
they had found in a purse next to her body. ³A law should serve the
people, but it didn¹t protect me.²

The epidemic is the counterpoint to the nation¹s runaway economic
success, which has worn away at the Confucian social contract that
formed the bedrock of Korean culture for centuries.

[S]uicides among people 65 or older ballooned to 4,378 in 2010, from
1,161 in 2000. The number of suicides among other adults and teenagers
also surged, though those deaths are generally attributed to the stress
of living in a highly competitive society rather than the changes in the
family structure that are driving the elderly to despair.

[A]s South Korea¹s hard-charging younger generations joined an exodus
from farms to cities in recent decades, or simply found themselves
working harder in the hypercompetitive environment that helped drive the
nation¹s economic miracle, their parents were often left behind. Many
elderly people now live out their final years poor, in rural areas with
the melancholy feel of ghost towns.
<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/world/asia/in-korea-changes-in-society
-and-family-dynamics-drive-rise-in-elderly-suicides.html?pagewanted=1>

It's the Economics, Stupid.
Post by a425couple
How do they do that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan
"Methods of committing suicide (in Japan)
Common methods of suicide are jumping in front of trains, leaping
off high places, hanging, or overdosing on medication. Rail companies
will charge the families of those who commit suicide a fee depending
on the severity of disrupted traffic.
A newer method, gaining in popularity partly due to publicity from
Internet suicide websites, is to use household products to make the
poisonous gas hydrogen sulfide. In 2007, only 29 suicides used this gas,
but in a span from January to September 2008, 867 suicides resulted
from gas poisoning. This method is particularly problematic, as
there is high risk of hurting others in the process. After a man who
attempted suicide in 2008 by swallowing pesticides was hospitalized,
50 people in the hospital were sickened by the toxic fumes."
--
Welcome to the New America.

or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party
Mike Smith
2013-02-18 19:25:05 UTC
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Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.

Per the FBI:
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.

Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.

Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?

Mike Smith
Frank
2013-02-18 21:12:32 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.
Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?
Mike Smith
I was hoping this level of depression might come to where he lives and
he reacts appropriately ;)
1910 murdered in Obama's organized communities
2013-02-19 07:19:25 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.
Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?
Why, there were no murders at all in Obama's hand-organized utopia!

Oh, wait...
Yer Pal Al
2013-02-20 06:10:52 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.
non-firearm homicides =  16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with  about 41%.
Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.
Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?
Here's some interesting stats on murder weapons in 2011 (why all the
focus on assault rifles when they are such a small percentage?):

Total 12,664
Handguns 6,220
Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Firearms, type not stated 1,587
Other weapons or weapons not stated 853
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 728
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 496
Shotguns 356
Rifles 323
Other guns 97
Asphyxiation 89
Strangulation 85
Fire 75
Narcotics 29
Drowning 15
Explosives 12
Poison 5
benj
2013-02-20 07:16:49 UTC
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Post by Yer Pal Al
Here's some interesting stats on murder weapons in 2011 (why all the
That would be because every firearm taken from a citizen and put in
government hands is a step in the "right" direction (we term that getting
them "off the street") And since semi-auto handguns are cleverly classed
as assault rifles (and the public thinks we are talking about machine
guns) this is why all the "focus" on imaginary "assault rifles".

You should note a government study was required by the now expired
previous "assault weapon" ban to determine it's effect on crime. The CDC
did the study and could not find ANY positive effect on crime. All the
promoters of the new "assault weapon" conveniently forget that fact.

Which is different from the laws creating "gun free zones" which
apparently are factors in CAUSING mass murders.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results."

Albert Einstein
Billy
2013-02-20 17:35:28 UTC
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Post by benj
Post by Yer Pal Al
Here's some interesting stats on murder weapons in 2011 (why all the
That would be because every firearm taken from a citizen and put in
government hands is a step in the "right" direction (we term that getting
them "off the street") And since semi-auto handguns are cleverly classed
as assault rifles (and the public thinks we are talking about machine
guns) this is why all the "focus" on imaginary "assault rifles".
You should note a government study was required by the now expired
previous "assault weapon" ban to determine it's effect on crime. The CDC
did the study and could not find ANY positive effect on crime. All the
promoters of the new "assault weapon" conveniently forget that fact.
Which is different from the laws creating "gun free zones" which
apparently are factors in CAUSING mass murders.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results."
Albert Einstein
What are you saying, my demented little friend? Are you saying that "gun
control" will remove all guns from private ownership, or that state gun
control doesn't lower gun violence?

-----

The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in
1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The
University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of
gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report
found.

A study published in the Injury Prevention Journal, based on a 2004
National Firearms Survey, found that 20% of the gun owners with the most
firearms possessed about 65% of the nation's guns.

The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and
large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.
<http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining/index.htm
l>

Time to put your toys down benji, and grow up.

You can still hunt, if you ever did, it's just that the forests aren't
meant to be a free fire zone for those who can shoot the fastest, and
make the most noise.
--
Welcome to the New America.
http://youtu.be/hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party
1911 murdered in Obama's organized communities
2013-02-21 10:49:32 UTC
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Post by Billy
Post by benj
Post by Yer Pal Al
Here's some interesting stats on murder weapons in 2011 (why all the
That would be because every firearm taken from a citizen and put in
government hands is a step in the "right" direction (we term that getting
them "off the street") And since semi-auto handguns are cleverly classed
as assault rifles (and the public thinks we are talking about machine
guns) this is why all the "focus" on imaginary "assault rifles".
You should note a government study was required by the now expired
previous "assault weapon" ban to determine it's effect on crime. The CDC
did the study and could not find ANY positive effect on crime. All the
promoters of the new "assault weapon" conveniently forget that fact.
Which is different from the laws creating "gun free zones" which
apparently are factors in CAUSING mass murders.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results."
Albert Einstein
What are you saying, my demented little friend? Are you saying that "gun
control" will remove all guns from private ownership, or that state gun
control doesn't lower gun violence?
-----
The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in
1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The
University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of
gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report
found.
A study published in the Injury Prevention Journal, based on a 2004
National Firearms Survey, found that 20% of the gun owners with the most
firearms possessed about 65% of the nation's guns.
The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and
large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.
<http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining/index.htm
l>
Time to put your toys down benji, and grow up.
You can still hunt, if you ever did, it's just that the forests aren't
meant to be a free fire zone for those who can shoot the fastest, and
make the most noise.
Screw the forests. You will find my home to be a free fire zone
should you ever come-a-grabbing.
Billy
2013-02-20 17:03:06 UTC
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In article
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.
non-firearm homicides =  16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with  about 41%.
Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.
Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?
Here's some interesting stats on murder weapons in 2011 (why all the
Total 12,664
Handguns 6,220
Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Firearms, type not stated 1,587
Other weapons or weapons not stated 853
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 728
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 496
Shotguns 356
Rifles 323
Other guns 97
Asphyxiation 89
Strangulation 85
Fire 75
Narcotics 29
Drowning 15
Explosives 12
Poison 5
Uh, Al, you are the only one to focus on assault rifles in this post.
Time for your meds?
--
Welcome to the New America.
http://youtu.be/hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party
Yer Pal Al
2013-02-20 20:03:31 UTC
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Post by Billy
In article
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.
non-firearm homicides =  16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with  about 41%.
Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.
Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?
Here's some interesting stats on murder weapons in 2011 (why all the
Total      12,664
Handguns   6,220
Knives or cutting instruments      1,694
Firearms, type not stated  1,587
Other weapons or weapons not stated        853
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1       728
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)       496
Shotguns   356
Rifles     323
Other guns 97
Asphyxiation       89
Strangulation      85
Fire       75
Narcotics  29
Drowning   15
Explosives 12
Poison     5
Uh, Al, you are the only one to focus on assault rifles in this post.
Time for your meds?
It's the liberals who are focusing on outlawing assault rifles or some
of their components to mitigate firearm deaths. Statistically, this
will be as useful as popping a zit on a cancer patient.
1911 murdered in Obama's organized communities
2013-02-21 10:51:54 UTC
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:03:31 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by Billy
In article
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.
non-firearm homicides =  16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with  about 41%.
Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.
Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?
Here's some interesting stats on murder weapons in 2011 (why all the
Total      12,664
Handguns   6,220
Knives or cutting instruments      1,694
Firearms, type not stated  1,587
Other weapons or weapons not stated        853
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1       728
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)       496
Shotguns   356
Rifles     323
Other guns 97
Asphyxiation       89
Strangulation      85
Fire       75
Narcotics  29
Drowning   15
Explosives 12
Poison     5
Uh, Al, you are the only one to focus on assault rifles in this post.
Time for your meds?
It's the liberals who are focusing on outlawing assault rifles or some
of their components to mitigate firearm deaths. Statistically, this
will be as useful as popping a zit on a cancer patient.
But, Al... to a lib, intent is all that counts. That cancer patient
will be zit free when he's laid to rest!
Billy
2013-02-26 00:03:32 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
Billy and his delusional fantasies have little to no basis in reality.
This poor fool thinks firearms are used in 60% of all homicides.
Sorry, it's not me, it's the FBI.

<http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-
u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-7>
Homicides Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%

Happy reading.
Post by Mike Smith
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Still using the schills numbers, huh.
http://brennerbrief.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/20121216-144146.jpg
Can't find the numbers on the FBI site, because they aren't there.
Post by Mike Smith
Apparently, Billy is becoming dyslexic.
Also, in 1982, Chicago banned all handguns within their city...
How's that working out for them?
You well know that it is a municipal law, and if you drive 5 miles you
can buy enough ammo to take out an entire primary school.
Post by Mike Smith
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged)
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or
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a425couple
2013-02-18 20:50:27 UTC
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Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
So, with less guns, the English find other ways.
The U.K. has fewer guns than the U.S.,
I certainly agree with that.
Post by Billy
and its suicide rate is about 2/3 of ours.
Who is "ours" ?
So Billy, does the "au." indicate you are in Australia?

According to (possibly not perfect, but probably quite reasonable):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Japan = 21.9 per 100,000 people, per year
US = 12
Sweden & Denmark = 11.9
Ireland = 11.8
UK = 11.8
Canada = 11.3
Switzerland (plenty of guns there!) = 11.1
Australia = 9.7

In other words Billy, I'm not seeing support
for that statement you made.
Post by Billy
A painful economic recession, ---------
I'm just going to accept your quoted material, fwiw.
Post by Billy
<http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/15/13289934-1000-suicides-lin
ked-to-hard-economic-times-in-britain?lite>
Some scholars looking for structural and social causes behind Japan¹s
suicide problem have argued that there is a close correlation between
unemployment and suicide rates. In fact, during the financial crisis of
1997 and 1998, suicides increased around 35%, a change that would seem
to support the idea that there is a strong correlation between economic
conditions and suicides in Japan. -----
---- & Korean culture for centuries.
It's the Economics, Stupid.
The state of the current economy certainly does have an
effect on the numbers. But support (or lack of it) from
friends and lovers is also a big part.
Post by Billy
Welcome to the New America.
Next time vote Green Party
Are you really of the opinion, that even if they won
significant elections, the "Green Party" (in your unknown
country) could outlaw the fact that while most of the time
the general economy expands, there are always some
years it contracts (i.e. recession) ?
Billy
2013-02-19 23:41:38 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%

Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI. This means that more than two-thirds of
homicides involve a firearm. 6,220 of those homicides by firearm (72%)
are known to have involved a handgun.
<http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/02/gun-violence-in-amer
ica-the-13-key-questions-with-13-concise-answers/272727/>

It's not as recent, but how 'bout The National Institute of Justice?
In 2005, 11,346 persons were killed by firearm violence and 477,040
persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm. Most murders
in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns.

In 2006, firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 42 percent of
robbery offenses and 22 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide.
<http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/>

Then there is good ol' mayonnaise, and white bread ABC.
According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, between 2006 and 2010 47,856
people were murdered in the U.S. by firearms, more than twice as many as
were killed by all other means combined.
<http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/08/guns-in-america-a-statisti
cal-look/>
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
So, with less guns, the English find other ways.
The U.K. has fewer guns than the U.S.,
I certainly agree with that.
Post by Billy
and its suicide rate is about 2/3 of ours.
Who is "ours" ?
So Billy, does the "au." indicate you are in Australia?
My IPS routes through "Oz", you'd have to ask them why. I've never been
to the "land of sun shine and sharks", but others in newsgroups I read
speak highly of it. Did you know that Australia wasn't a penal colony
until 1776? They couldn't dump their malcontents in America any more.
I am just a humble Califonicator.
Post by a425couple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Japan = 21.9 per 100,000 people, per year
US = 12
Sweden & Denmark = 11.9
Ireland = 11.8
UK = 11.8
Canada = 11.3
Switzerland (plenty of guns there!) = 11.1
Australia = 9.7
These are static numbers. We were talking about rates of change in
suicides.
Post by a425couple
In other words Billy, I'm not seeing support
for that statement you made.
I hope it looks more understandable now.
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
A painful economic recession, ---------
I'm just going to accept your quoted material, fwiw.
This is the source of my information about the association between
sucide, and the economy.
<http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/15/13289934-1000-suicides-lin
ked-to-hard-economic-times-in-britain?lite>

Information about Korea came from
<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/world/asia/in-korea-changes-in-society
-and-family-dynamics-drive-rise-in-elderly-suicides.html>
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
<http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/15/13289934-1000-suicides-lin
ked-to-hard-economic-times-in-britain?lite>
Some scholars looking for structural and social causes behind Japan¹s
suicide problem have argued that there is a close correlation between
unemployment and suicide rates. In fact, during the financial crisis of
1997 and 1998, suicides increased around 35%, a change that would seem
to support the idea that there is a strong correlation between economic
conditions and suicides in Japan. -----
---- & Korean culture for centuries.
Not mentioned was
<http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/05/us-suicide-economy-idUSL5E8M46
3M20121105>
Americans' suicide rates up since economic crisis began
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
It's the Economics, Stupid.
The state of the current economy certainly does have an
effect on the numbers. But support (or lack of it) from
friends and lovers is also a big part.
Post by Billy
Welcome to the New America.
Next time vote Green Party
Are you really of the opinion, that even if they won
significant elections, the "Green Party" (in your unknown
country) could outlaw the fact that while most of the time
the general economy expands, there are always some
years it contracts (i.e. recession) ?
For the last 30 years, S&Ls, accounting firms, and stock brokers made
money as the economy grew. Everyone made money except for the worker,
whose increase in productivity was never rewarded.
--
Welcome to the New America.
http://youtu.be/hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party
Mike Smith
2013-02-19 23:50:16 UTC
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Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
Bullshit. The FBI stats are what I posted:

non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.

Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.

Mike Smith
Billy
2013-02-20 05:49:16 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) Smith
Poor demented, little Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) trying to do
arithmetic.. Now he thinks he can make-up facts. Arithmetic works when
you put in the right numbers, Mikie (The Mentally Challenged). Why don't
you go tell your "Bagger" friends? They will be amazed with your
home-made facts ;O)))

Oh, no! What is this? Am I wrong?! I can't find that information.


<http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-
u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-7>

Region Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%

Bwahahahahahaha

No, I'm not wrong.

I have to give it to you, Mikie (The Mentally Challenged), you put a lot
of effort into looking like an idiot.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha
--
Welcome to the New America.
http://youtu.be/hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party
Mike Smith
2013-02-20 12:10:52 UTC
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Post by Billy
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} Smith
Region Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%
So what..

I read non-firearm and assumed it was non-firearm. (non-firearm +
firearm = total homicides)

Here's the chart I used:

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Notice how insignificant firearm homicides are, when compared to
tobacco? But firearms gives you libtards something to whine about, and
everyone knows if you libtards did not have something to whine about,
you would just curl up and die.

Mike Smith
The Daring Dufas
2013-02-20 12:57:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Silly Shemale Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged{Silly Shemale Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} Smith
Region Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%
So what..
I read non-firearm and assumed it was non-firearm. (non-firearm +
firearm = total homicides)
http://brennerbrief.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/20121216-144146.jpg
Notice how insignificant firearm homicides are, when compared to
tobacco? But firearms gives you libtards something to whine about, and
everyone knows if you libtards did not have something to whine about,
you would just curl up and die.
Mike Smith
Mike, I don't think Silly Shemale Billy is your normal Libtard. From
what I gather he/she/it is a cloud hugging, tree kissing, snail fucking
member of The Green Party and they can be worse than the P.L.L.C.F. with
a much more destructive agenda for the country not to mention the whole
world. They want all predators to run free both animal and human in
their warped world where they'll demand that plants and insects have the
same rights as animals and humans. They don't want humans to have any
advantage in the ability to protect themselves from other creatures.
In their Gaia worshiping fervor, they will demand not only the complete
elimination of firearms but of fire itself. They want humankind to
revert to the hunter/gatherer lifestyle of our distant ancestors. I
wonder what they'll do without electricity and computers? O_o

TDD
Mike Smith
2013-02-21 01:28:00 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:57:49 -0600, The Daring Dufas
Post by The Daring Dufas
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Silly Shemale Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged{Silly Shemale Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} Smith
Region Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%
So what..
I read non-firearm and assumed it was non-firearm. (non-firearm +
firearm = total homicides)
http://brennerbrief.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/20121216-144146.jpg
Notice how insignificant firearm homicides are, when compared to
tobacco? But firearms gives you libtards something to whine about, and
everyone knows if you libtards did not have something to whine about,
you would just curl up and die.
Mike Smith
Mike, I don't think Silly Shemale Billy is your normal Libtard. From
what I gather he/she/it is a cloud hugging, tree kissing, snail fucking
member of The Green Party and they can be worse than the P.L.L.C.F. with
a much more destructive agenda for the country not to mention the whole
world. They want all predators to run free both animal and human in
their warped world where they'll demand that plants and insects have the
same rights as animals and humans. They don't want humans to have any
advantage in the ability to protect themselves from other creatures.
In their Gaia worshiping fervor, they will demand not only the complete
elimination of firearms but of fire itself. They want humankind to
revert to the hunter/gatherer lifestyle of our distant ancestors. I
wonder what they'll do without electricity and computers? O_o
TDD
He is not real strong in the mental department.

Mike Smith
Billy
2013-02-20 16:59:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Smith
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted}Smith
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} Smith
Region Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%
So what..
I read non-firearm and assumed it was non-firearm. (non-firearm +
firearm = total homicides)
http://brennerbrief.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/20121216-144146.jpg
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) you asked me to look on the FBI web
pages to find your non-existent, faux information, but you get your
non-existent, faux information from a Republican/"Bagger", "gun lobby"
schill?
Post by Mike Smith
Notice how insignificant firearm homicides are, when compared to
tobacco? But firearms gives you libtards something to whine about, and
everyone knows if you libtards did not have something to whine about,
you would just curl up and die.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged)
We were discussing saving the lives of young children, Mikie (The
Mentally Challenged), not sparing the feelings of "old" children being
publicly chastised.

You asked that I find your information on the FBI web pages, I couldn't
because that isn't what the FBI said, Mikie (The Mentally Challenged).
I gave you what the FBI said.

Now, you're telling me that you want to change the topic, because the
old one makes you look like a steaming pile of crap? O.K., I'll just
note that a 14 year old mentality is light years ahead of where you are.

By the way, have you seen the statistics on disease as the cause of
death? Makes smoking look down right healthy. Buy a carton today, Mikie
(The Mentally Challenged), before you catch a cold.
--
Welcome to the New America.
http://youtu.be/hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party
Mike Smith
2013-02-21 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Smith
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted}Smith
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} Smith
Region Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%
So what..
I read non-firearm and assumed it was non-firearm. (non-firearm +
firearm = total homicides)
http://brennerbrief.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/20121216-144146.jpg
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} you asked me to look on the FBI web
pages to find your non-existent, faux information, but you get your
non-existent, faux information from a Republican/"Bagger", "gun lobby"
schill?
Post by Mike Smith
Notice how insignificant firearm homicides are, when compared to
tobacco? But firearms gives you libtards something to whine about, and
everyone knows if you libtards did not have something to whine about,
you would just curl up and die.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted}
We were discussing saving the lives of young children, Mikie (The
Mentally Challenged),{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} not sparing the feelings of "old" children being
publicly chastised.
You asked that I find your information on the FBI web pages, I couldn't
because that isn't what the FBI said, Mikie (The Mentally Challenged). {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted}
I gave you what the FBI said.
Now, you're telling me that you want to change the topic, because the
old one makes you look like a steaming pile of crap? O.K., I'll just
note that a 14 year old mentality is light years ahead of where you are.
By the way, have you seen the statistics on disease as the cause of
death? Makes smoking look down right healthy. Buy a carton today, Mikie
(The Mentally Challenged),{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} before you catch a cold.
English confuses you, obviously.

Mike Smith
Billy
2013-02-25 23:53:07 UTC
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Post by Mike Smith
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} Smith
Post by Mike Smith
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted}Smith
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
Post by Billy
Post by a425couple
It is sad when people chose suicide.
Interesting to me, that the suicide rate for England & Wales
is about the same as it is for the US.
Sadly, many in the US use guns, so US has a high
number of gun deaths (well over half of gun deaths in US
are suicides).
And 60% of U.S. homicides are committed with a gun.
That seems Wrong, as somebody else pointed out.
Or, Billy, where is the cite you would use for this claim?
I'd start you with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence>
United States 2010 67.5%
Don't like Wikipedia?
There were 8,583 homicides by firearms in 2011, out of 12,664 homicides
total, according to the FBI.
non-firearm homicides = 16,799
firearm homicides = 11,493.
Let's see... divide by that, carry the 1, add this.. and I came up
with about 41%.
Let's see if you can find that info on the FBI web pages.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} Smith
Region Total all weapons Firearms
Total 100.0 % 67.7%
So what..
I read non-firearm and assumed it was non-firearm. (non-firearm +
firearm = total homicides)
http://brennerbrief.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/20121216-144146.jpg
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} you
asked me to look on the FBI web
pages to find your non-existent, faux information, but you get your
non-existent, faux information from a Republican/"Bagger", "gun lobby"
schill?
Post by Mike Smith
Notice how insignificant firearm homicides are, when compared to
tobacco? But firearms gives you libtards something to whine about, and
everyone knows if you libtards did not have something to whine about,
you would just curl up and die.
Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) {Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted}
We were discussing saving the lives of young children, Mikie (The
Mentally Challenged),{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} not sparing the
feelings of "old" children being
publicly chastised.
You asked that I find your information on the FBI web pages, I couldn't
because that isn't what the FBI said, Mikie (The Mentally Challenged).
I gave you what the FBI said.
Post by Mike Smith
Now, you're telling me that you want to change the topic, because the
old one makes you look like a steaming pile of crap? O.K., I'll just
note that a 14 year old mentality is light years ahead of where you are.
By the way, have you seen the statistics on disease as the cause of
death? Makes smoking look down right healthy. Buy a carton today, Mikie
(The Mentally Challenged),{Billy's 14-year-old mentality noted} before you catch a cold.
English confuses you, obviously.
Mike Smith
You seem to be Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) when you quote faux FBI
statistics that only exist on the page of a gun lobby schill.

Mikie (The Mentally Challenged) you asked me to look on the FBI web
pages to find your non-existent, faux information, but you get your
non-existent, faux information from a Republican/"Bagger", "gun lobby"
schill?

Sorry, Mikie (The Mentally Challenged), I just did what you asked me to
do. Go to the source :O))

It is easy to see why you don't give citations for your opinions, either
they don't exist, or are so noxious that even you don't want to be
identified with them.
--
Welcome to the New America.
http://youtu.be/hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party
k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2013-02-21 11:41:20 UTC
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In article
Post by Billy
Did you know that Australia wasn't a penal colony
until 1776?
It was not a penal colony then or for that matter any kind of colony.
The Napoleonic wars interfered. However the first colonies in Australia
and Tasmania were penal colonies. They were also set up differently from
the American convict system. In Australia the Colony Governor controlled
who got access to convicts. In the US colonies arriving convicts were
auctioned for indentured labour.

Ken Young
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